When I refer to "the cross" I am referring to death, resurrection, and ascension.

"I say this because what happened to Jesus was enough on His behalf"

I am not sure I like this way of looking at it. This seems to suggest that the resurrection was good enough for Jesus to receive forgiveness, but that this does not then come as a greater pronouncement towards all who live in time. But I am not clear what this means either.

"What Jesus did and what we do must be wedded together otherwise salvation is simply salvation waiting to be grasped and lived out; in this case each person has not entered into right standing with God, it’s like it’s pending."

So what you are saying is that for the atonement to have a real effect, it must be subjectively received. This is what leads us down the path to limited atonement. If this is the case, then those who profess Jesus as lord are those who are saved. One cannot make this profession unless God leads them or it is quite a Pelagian position.

I am not really arguing against your position here as much as clarifying where you are actually coming from before I draw any conclusions.

Thanks.

When I refer to "the cross" I am referring to death, resurrection, and ascension.

"I say this because what happened to Jesus was enough on His behalf"

I am not sure I like this way of looking at it. This seems to suggest that the resurrection was good enough for Jesus to receive forgiveness, but that this does not then come as a greater pronouncement towards all who live in time. But I am not clear what this means either.

"What Jesus did and what we do must be wedded together otherwise salvation is simply salvation waiting to be grasped and lived out; in this case each person has not entered into right standing with God, it’s like it’s pending."

So what you are saying is that for the atonement to have a real effect, it must be subjectively received. This is what leads us down the path to limited atonement. If this is the case, then those who profess Jesus as lord are those who are saved. One cannot make this profession unless God leads them or it is quite a Pelagian position.

I am not really arguing against your position here as much as clarifying where you are actually coming from before I draw any conclusions.

Thanks.

But my Reformed church (of which I am a deacon, oops!) might be happy to know that a staunch Arminian like me agrees with Calvin on something! Boersma is Dutch Reformed, however, so that explains the connection.

But my Reformed church (of which I am a deacon, oops!) might be happy to know that a staunch Arminian like me agrees with Calvin on something! Boersma is Dutch Reformed, however, so that explains the connection.